Respiratory Decline and Treatment Options for Patients - Pulmonology

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The tidal volume (Vte) decreased from December 31, 2012, to January 3, 2013?


I am consulting regarding my daughter who requires respiratory care (weight 65 kg).
Since 2015, her average tidal volume on the ventilator has been above 550 ml, but starting from December 31, 2023, I observed it dropping to between 365 and 495 ml.
On January 3, 2024, chest X-ray and blood biochemical tests revealed initial infiltration in the right lung, with a white blood cell count of 13,500, a temperature of 36.5°C, and a pulse rate of 100-108 (normally 85-89).
Hemoglobin was low at 8.5, neutrophils were high at 8.1, lymphocytes were low, monocytes were normal at 5.2, eosinophils were normal at 2, sodium was normal at 140, and potassium was normal at 4.1.
The hospital initiated antibiotic treatment that same day.
However, today, January 4, I noticed an increase in her tidal volume to nearly 500 ml, which I thought indicated improvement.
Nevertheless, the attending physician mentioned that after one day, there was abnormal urine output (urine was sent for testing today), which was significantly reduced, raising concerns about the potential for sepsis.
They recommended transferring her to a teaching hospital for further examination and treatment, as the local hospital lacks adequate treatment facilities.
However, it is preferable for RCW patients to receive treatment at their original hospital (as other facilities often claim they have no beds available for ventilator patients).
I hope Dr.
Tsai can provide some insights based on the blood data I shared.
Is this a serious situation? (Considering the antibiotic treatment only started on January 3).
Thank you, and I look forward to your thoughts.

Yun Yun, 40~49 year old female. Ask Date: 2024/01/04

Dr. Cai Zongwei reply Pulmonology


Hello: In principle, the recommendations of the attending physician at the RCW should be followed, and if necessary, transfer to a regional hospital or higher level should be considered.
However, taking into account the inconvenience of transfer and other factors, if the patient has been at the RCW for 5 days after receiving antibiotic treatment as advised by the attending physician, a reassessment of the treatment effectiveness should be conducted.
If there is leukocytosis and it is suspected to be due to an infection, in addition to sputum analysis, urine or other potential sources of infection should also be examined.
If there are resistant bacteria or if the patient's condition is unstable (such as low blood pressure, decreased urine output, or a downward trend in blood oxygen levels), early transfer to a higher-level facility should be carried out according to the recommendations of the RCW physician.
If there are no available beds, the patient can be evaluated in the emergency department of a collaborating hospital or a "moderate to severe emergency responsibility hospital" while waiting for a bed.

Reply Date: 2024/01/04

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Understanding respiratory decline in patients, particularly those on mechanical ventilation, is a complex issue that requires careful consideration of various clinical indicators and treatment options. Based on the information provided, it appears that your daughter has been experiencing a decline in respiratory function, as evidenced by a decrease in tidal volume from an average of 550 ml to a range of 365-495 ml. This change, along with the findings of initial lung infiltration and abnormal blood parameters, raises several concerns that warrant further exploration.

Firstly, the decrease in tidal volume can indicate worsening respiratory mechanics or an increase in the work of breathing. In patients with respiratory failure, especially those on mechanical ventilation, a decline in tidal volume can suggest that the lungs are becoming less compliant or that there is an increase in airway resistance. The presence of right lung infiltration seen on the X-ray may suggest a developing pneumonia or other pulmonary pathology, which could contribute to the observed respiratory decline. The elevated white blood cell count (13,500) and the predominance of neutrophils (8.1) further support the possibility of an infectious process.

The fact that your daughter’s temperature remains stable at 36.5°C, and her heart rate is slightly elevated (100-108 bpm), may indicate a compensatory response to the underlying infection or respiratory distress. Additionally, the low hemoglobin level (8.5 g/dL) could contribute to decreased oxygen-carrying capacity, exacerbating her respiratory issues. The low lymphocyte count may also suggest an underlying stress response or possible immunosuppression, which can complicate her clinical picture.

The increase in tidal volume to near 500 ml after the initiation of antibiotic therapy is a positive sign, indicating that the treatment may be having an effect. However, the concern regarding decreased urine output is significant. Oliguria (reduced urine output) can be a sign of acute kidney injury, which can occur due to various reasons, including dehydration, sepsis, or medication effects. The potential for sepsis, particularly in the context of pneumonia, is a critical consideration, as it can lead to systemic inflammatory response syndrome (SIRS) and multi-organ dysfunction.

Given these factors, the recommendation to transfer your daughter to a teaching hospital for further evaluation and management is prudent. Teaching hospitals typically have more resources, including advanced diagnostic tools and specialists who can provide comprehensive care for complex cases. It is essential to ensure that she receives appropriate monitoring and treatment, especially if there is a risk of sepsis or other complications.

In terms of treatment options, the initiation of antibiotics is a crucial first step in managing potential infections. Depending on the clinical course, additional interventions may be necessary, such as fluid resuscitation if dehydration is suspected, or adjustments to her ventilatory support to optimize her respiratory function. Close monitoring of her blood parameters, including renal function, electrolytes, and inflammatory markers, will be essential in guiding further treatment decisions.

In summary, your daughter’s clinical situation is concerning but not uncommon in patients with respiratory decline. The combination of respiratory distress, abnormal blood work, and the potential for infection necessitates careful management and possibly transfer to a facility equipped to handle her needs. Continuous communication with her healthcare team will be vital in navigating her treatment plan and ensuring the best possible outcomes.

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