Multiple areas of pain in the body, including back pain, abdominal pain, hip joint pain, and lower back pain?
Hello Doctor: My mother has been experiencing abdominal discomfort and pain daily, along with upper back pain, right shoulder pain, hip joint pain, lower back pain, and upper arm pain.
She has already consulted doctors from neurology, gastroenterology, and orthopedics, and has undergone X-rays and ultrasounds to rule out gastrointestinal, liver, and gallbladder issues.
Due to her higher weight, the orthopedic X-ray indicated problems with cervical and lumbar spinal stenosis, but the orthopedic doctor could not determine the specific issue, so she is currently relying on pain medication.
Additionally, my mother previously had symptoms of spondylolisthesis at the third and fourth lumbar vertebrae, and during a chiropractic session, the doctor mentioned issues with a herniated disc.
However, no doctor has suggested further MRI scans for a more in-depth examination.
I feel a bit helpless as many of the doctors I have consulted do not seem to be thorough, even though they are from a major hospital.
I would like to ask what this could possibly be? Which specialist should I schedule an appointment with next? Or could you recommend a doctor in the northern region? I found online that a herniated disc could potentially cause abdominal pain; is this possible? I sincerely request your response.
Niming, 60~69 year old female. Ask Date: 2024/01/17
Dr. Shi Guozheng reply Orthopedics
Lumbar degenerative stenosis can present with the aforementioned symptoms; however, imaging studies such as MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging) are necessary to confirm the diagnosis before treatment can be initiated.
Reply Date: 2024/01/17
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Understanding multiple pain symptoms, especially when they involve the back, abdomen, and hips, can be quite complex. Your mother’s situation, characterized by a range of symptoms including abdominal discomfort, upper back pain, right shoulder pain, hip pain, lower back pain, and upper arm pain, suggests a multifactorial issue that may require a comprehensive approach to diagnosis and treatment.
Firstly, it’s important to recognize that pain can often be referred from one area of the body to another. For instance, issues in the lumbar spine (lower back) can sometimes manifest as abdominal pain due to nerve pathways. Conditions like herniated discs or spinal stenosis can lead to nerve compression, which might cause pain not only in the back but also radiating to other areas, including the abdomen and legs.
Given that your mother has already undergone evaluations by various specialists, including neurologists, gastroenterologists, and orthopedic surgeons, and has had imaging studies like X-rays and ultrasounds, it seems that some common causes of her symptoms have been ruled out. However, the presence of spinal issues such as spondylolisthesis (slipped vertebrae) and potential disc herniation could still be significant contributors to her pain.
The fact that her X-rays indicated narrowing in the cervical and lumbar spine suggests degenerative changes, which can lead to chronic pain. This is particularly relevant if she has a history of significant weight, as obesity can exacerbate spinal issues due to increased mechanical stress on the vertebrae and discs.
In terms of next steps, it may be beneficial for your mother to undergo an MRI of the lumbar and cervical spine if it hasn’t been done already. An MRI can provide a more detailed view of the soft tissues, including discs, nerves, and muscles, which X-rays cannot adequately visualize. This could help identify any herniated discs, nerve root compression, or other soft tissue abnormalities that might be contributing to her symptoms.
As for which specialist to consult next, a spine specialist or a physiatrist (rehabilitation physician) could be a good choice. These professionals focus on the diagnosis and treatment of musculoskeletal and neurological conditions, and they can offer a comprehensive approach that may include physical therapy, pain management strategies, and possibly interventional procedures if necessary.
Physical therapy could also play a crucial role in her recovery. A physical therapist can develop a tailored exercise program to strengthen the muscles supporting her spine, improve flexibility, and reduce pain. Additionally, they can provide education on body mechanics and posture, which can be vital in preventing further injury.
Regarding the abdominal pain, while it is less common for a herniated disc to directly cause abdominal pain, it is not impossible. The nerves that innervate the abdominal region can be affected by spinal issues, leading to referred pain. Therefore, it is essential to address both the spinal and abdominal symptoms concurrently.
In summary, your mother’s situation is complex and may require a multidisciplinary approach. Seeking an MRI for a detailed assessment of her spine, consulting with a spine specialist or physiatrist, and engaging in physical therapy could be beneficial steps forward. It’s crucial to continue advocating for her health and ensuring that she receives the comprehensive care she needs to address her pain effectively.
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