Chest pain in the elderly?
Recently, my father often complains of "heart bone pain." When it occurs, the pain is very intense but usually subsides within three to five minutes.
Applying some menthol balm can help alleviate the pain.
Occasionally, it can happen consecutively (about twice within an hour).
The pain is located in the upper middle part of the stomach, but not at the height of the chest cavity.
The elderly refer to it as "heart bone pain." We have taken my father to see a cardiologist, and after X-rays and ultrasounds, they said there were no issues.
Less than six months later, my father suddenly had a stroke (with slight bleeding in the brain).
After treatment, aside from being slower in movement and less talkative, his general behavior has not been affected, and there are no issues with facial nerve coordination.
He currently has regular follow-up appointments to receive medication.
However, the heart bone pain still occasionally occurs.
The doctor advised him not to engage in labor, and that should prevent any issues! But is that the only reason? I can't shake the feeling that there might be an undetected heart problem.
If it is indeed a heart issue, wouldn't that be very dangerous? Can I fully trust the confidence of the attending physician? But if I don't trust them, what can I do? I feel so helpless...
Amanda, 40~49 year old female. Ask Date: 2011/03/04
Dr. Lan Shengxing reply Neurology
Dear Amanda, chest pain may not only be related to heart issues; gastrointestinal problems, intercostal nerve irritation, and other factors could also contribute.
It is important to consider the timing of the pain in relation to lifestyle changes, exercise, and other factors.
Especially since you have already undergone examinations at the hospital, it might be worthwhile to seek a second opinion from another specialist.
Reply Date: 2011/03/04
More Info
Understanding "heartbone pain" in the elderly, especially in the context of your father's symptoms, is a complex issue that requires careful consideration of various potential causes and the appropriate medical responses.
Firstly, it's important to clarify what is meant by "heartbone pain." This term is not a standard medical term, but it seems to refer to a type of pain that your father experiences, which he describes as being located in the upper stomach area, just below the chest. Given the description, this pain could potentially be related to several different conditions, including gastrointestinal issues, musculoskeletal problems, or even cardiac concerns.
Potential Causes of Pain
1. Gastrointestinal Issues: The location of the pain suggests that it could be related to the stomach or esophagus. Conditions such as gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD), gastritis, or even peptic ulcers could cause pain in this area. These conditions can sometimes mimic cardiac pain, leading to confusion.
2. Musculoskeletal Pain: Given your father's age, musculoskeletal issues such as costochondritis (inflammation of the cartilage connecting the ribs to the sternum) or other forms of arthritis could also be responsible for the pain. This type of pain can be sharp and may be exacerbated by certain movements or positions.
3. Cardiac Issues: Although your father has undergone tests such as X-rays and ultrasounds that did not reveal any heart problems, it is still essential to consider that some cardiac conditions may not be easily detectable through these methods. Conditions like angina or even silent myocardial ischemia can present with atypical symptoms, especially in older adults.
4. Neurological Factors: Given your father's history of a stroke, it's also worth considering that some of his symptoms could be related to neurological factors. Pain can sometimes be referred from other areas of the body or may be influenced by nerve damage from the stroke.
Addressing Concerns
Your concerns about whether there might be an undetected heart issue are valid, especially considering the potential risks associated with cardiac problems in the elderly. Here are some steps you might consider:
1. Follow-Up with a Cardiologist: If you still have concerns about your father's heart health, it may be beneficial to seek a second opinion from a cardiologist. They may recommend further testing, such as a stress test, echocardiogram, or even advanced imaging like a coronary angiogram, to rule out any underlying heart disease.
2. Monitor Symptoms: Keep a detailed log of when the pain occurs, its duration, and any associated symptoms (such as shortness of breath, sweating, or nausea). This information can be invaluable for healthcare providers in diagnosing the issue.
3. Lifestyle Modifications: Encourage your father to adopt a heart-healthy lifestyle, which includes a balanced diet, regular physical activity (as tolerated), and avoiding smoking and excessive alcohol consumption. These changes can help improve overall cardiovascular health.
4. Pain Management: Since your father finds relief with topical treatments like white flower oil, it might be worth discussing pain management strategies with his healthcare provider. They may suggest other options, including physical therapy or medications that can help alleviate pain.
5. Communication with Healthcare Providers: It’s essential to maintain open communication with your father's healthcare team. If you feel uncertain about their assessments, don’t hesitate to ask questions or express your concerns. A good physician will appreciate your involvement and will be willing to provide further explanations or reassurance.
Conclusion
In conclusion, while your father's symptoms may not currently indicate a serious heart condition based on previous evaluations, it is crucial to remain vigilant and proactive in managing his health. Understanding the multifaceted nature of his pain, considering all potential causes, and ensuring thorough follow-up care can help alleviate your concerns and ensure your father's well-being. If symptoms persist or worsen, seeking immediate medical attention is always the best course of action.
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