Issues Related to the Use of Xunli Ning
Dear Director Junjian,
Hello, my mother is 82 years old and has a history of cardiovascular issues (arteriosclerosis, obstruction, hypertension, etc.).
She often experiences dizziness, and her physician has prescribed an antithrombotic medication (Licodin, generic name Ticlopidine, 100 mg per tablet), which she takes once in the morning and once in the evening.
I have also purchased Cernitin (Cerrnin, 40 mg per tablet) for her to take once in the morning and once in the evening (which I have shown to her doctor and consulted about).
Currently, I have seen online that the normal dosage for Cernitin is three tablets per day, and taking too much could increase the risk of bleeding or stroke.
My mother is currently taking two tablets per day, which theoretically is not an overdose.
However, since she is also taking the antithrombotic medication prescribed by her doctor, I am unsure if this could lead to any overdose issues.
Thank you for your clarification!
Yuan Qingxi, 50~59 year old female. Ask Date: 2012/01/20
Dr. Lan Shengxing reply Neurology
Dear Mr.
Yuan, past research has confirmed that the combination of aspirin (a thrombolytic agent similar to Ticlopidine) and ginkgo biloba extract (such as Ginkgolide) may actually increase the risk of bleeding, so such combinations are generally not encouraged.
Therefore, some physicians advocate that ginkgo biloba extracts like Ginkgolide should be avoided in conjunction with medications that alter coagulation function (such as aspirin).
However, current evidence regarding Ticlopidine is limited, mostly confined to pharmacological studies.
What we know is that the co-administration of these two does not alter the pharmacokinetics and pharmacological responses of Ticlopidine.
However, human physiological conditions differ from laboratory settings, making it difficult to determine whether this could lead to other changes in vivo, resulting in what you refer to as overdose or complications from overdose.
Here, I simply define your concern about overdose as a state where the desired pharmacological effect is too strong, leading to complications.
A new study in 2010 indicated that the combination of Ticlopidine and ginkgo biloba extract might lead to more side effects, but these side effects were not related to bleeding tendencies.
Therefore, regarding your concern about overdose, I can cautiously say that, based on current evidence, the antiplatelet effect of the combination will not be stronger than that of either drug used alone.
However, it may lead to more side effects unrelated to bleeding.
Best regards, Lan Shengxing.
Reply Date: 2012/01/20
More Info
When considering the combination of Cerenin (Ginkgo biloba extract) and antithrombotic medications such as Ticlopidine (Licodin), it is essential to understand the potential risks and benefits associated with this combination, especially in an elderly patient with pre-existing cardiovascular conditions.
Cerenin is often used for its purported benefits in improving peripheral circulation and cognitive function. It is derived from Ginkgo biloba leaves and is commonly prescribed for conditions such as memory impairment, tinnitus, and peripheral vascular disorders. However, one of the significant concerns when using Ginkgo biloba, particularly in patients on anticoagulant or antiplatelet therapy, is the increased risk of bleeding. Ginkgo biloba has been shown to have antiplatelet effects, which can potentially enhance the effects of medications like Ticlopidine, leading to an increased risk of bleeding complications.
Ticlopidine is an antiplatelet medication that is used to prevent thrombotic events in patients with a history of cardiovascular disease. It works by inhibiting platelet aggregation, thereby reducing the risk of blood clots. When combined with Cerenin, there is a theoretical risk that the additive effects on platelet function could lead to excessive bleeding, especially in an elderly patient who may already have compromised health.
In your mother's case, she is taking one Cerenin capsule (40 mg) twice daily, which is within the typical dosing range. However, the concern arises from the concurrent use of Ticlopidine. While the current dosage of Cerenin does not exceed the recommended daily limit, the cumulative effect of both medications on platelet function could still pose a risk. The potential for bleeding complications is particularly concerning given her age and existing cardiovascular issues.
To address your concerns effectively, it is crucial to communicate openly with your mother's healthcare provider. Here are some steps you can take when discussing this with her doctor:
1. Express Your Concerns: Clearly articulate your worries about the combination of Cerenin and Ticlopidine, particularly regarding the risk of bleeding. Mention your mother's age and her cardiovascular history to provide context.
2. Ask About Monitoring: Inquire whether there should be any specific monitoring for signs of bleeding or other adverse effects due to this combination. This could include regular blood tests or assessments for any unusual bruising or bleeding.
3. Discuss Alternatives: If the doctor believes that the combination poses too high a risk, ask if there are alternative treatments for your mother's symptoms that do not carry the same risk of bleeding.
4. Review Dosages: Confirm that the dosages of both medications are appropriate for her condition and age. Sometimes, adjustments can be made to minimize risks.
5. Follow-Up: Ensure that there is a plan for follow-up appointments to reassess her treatment regimen regularly, especially if she experiences any new symptoms or side effects.
In summary, while Cerenin can be beneficial for certain conditions, its use in conjunction with antithrombotic medications like Ticlopidine requires careful consideration and monitoring. Open communication with your mother's healthcare provider is essential to ensure her safety and well-being.
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