Breast cancer inquiry?
Hello Doctor, I would like to ask you a question regarding my mother, who is currently 61 years old.
She was recently diagnosed with breast cancer (Luminal B type, grade 2) and has just undergone a partial mastectomy and sentinel lymph node biopsy (4 nodes), with no lymph node metastasis.
There was no neoadjuvant therapy prior to surgery.
The pathology report is as follows:
1.
Partial excision (6 x 4.8 x 4.8 cm) and sentinel lymph node examination.
2.
Overlying skin: 2.2 x 0.5 cm in dimension.
3.
Additional margin: 2.2 x 0.5 x 0.5 cm in size.
4.
Tumor: 2 x 1.5 x 1.5 cm in size.
Microscopic Examination:
1.
Histologic type: Invasive ductal carcinoma.
2.
Size of invasive carcinoma (mm): 21 x 16 x 15 mm in size.
3.
Histologic grade (Nottingham histologic score): Grade 2.
- Tubule formation: 3.
- Nuclear pleomorphism: 2.
- Mitotic count: 14.
4.
Extent of tumor: Skin involvement: Absent.
Chest wall invasion deeper than pectoralis muscle: cannot be assessed.
5.
Pathologic staging (pTNM):
(1) Primary Tumor (pT): Snomed: 04020-R-M85003 08710-R-M00100 pT2: Tumor more than 20 mm but not more than 50 mm in greatest dimension.
(2) Regional Lymph Nodes (pN): pN0(i-): No regional lymph node metastasis histologically, negative IHC.
- No.
examined: 4.
- No.
examined by CK (AE1/AE3) immunostain: 4.
- No.
macrometastases (>2 mm): 0.
- No.
micrometastases (>0.2~2 mm and/or >200 cells): 0.
- No.
isolated tumor cells (<=0.2 mm and <=200 cells): 0.
6.
Margin: Negative.
7.
Lymphovascular invasion: Absent.
8.
Perineural invasion: Absent.
9.
Hormone study: ER: positive (>90%), PR: positive (>90%), HER-2/Neu: positive (3+/3+, only for HER-2 FISH study reference).
10.
Ki67: Stained in 20-30% of tumor cells.
Preoperative blood report: CEA < 1.73, CA 15-3: 8.9.
I would like to ask the doctor if my mother has a high risk of recurrence.
The doctor has suggested that she undergo chemotherapy and targeted therapy.
Is it necessary for her to receive targeted therapy? Is a Ki67 index of 20-30 considered high for triple-positive breast cancer? Does this indicate a higher likelihood of recurrence? Additionally, I would like to inquire about the malignancy degree of triple-positive breast cancer compared to HER-2 positive breast cancer.
I understand that HER-2 positive breast cancer can be either triple-positive or ER and PR negative but HER-2 positive.
Are these two types significantly different? Thank you for taking the time to respond, I appreciate it!
CC, 30~39 year old female. Ask Date: 2022/11/06
Dr. Chen Sirong reply Oncology
Hello,
1.
I would like to ask the doctor if the risk of recurrence for my mother is high.
Using this algorithm, IHC4 = 32 > 30 indicates high risk, with ER = 90, PR = 90, Her2 = 1, and Ki67 = 30 for calculating the IHC4 score.
2.
Since the doctor recommends both chemotherapy and targeted therapy, I would like to know if targeted therapy is absolutely necessary? A: Yes, because it is HER2 positive, specifically HER2 3+.
3.
For triple-positive breast cancer, is a Ki67 index of 20-30 considered high? Does this also indicate a higher likelihood of recurrence? A: Overall, it should not be evaluated item by item; using this algorithm, IHC4 = 32 > 30 indicates high risk with ER = 90, PR = 90, Her2 = 1, and Ki67 = 30 for calculating the IHC4 score.
4.
Additionally, I would like to ask the doctor if there is a difference in malignancy between triple-positive breast cancer and HER2-positive breast cancer.
I understand from my research that HER2-positive breast cancer can be either (triple-positive) or (ER and PR negative but HER2 positive).
Are these two types significantly different? A: ER+ and PR+ are generally better, but I believe it is important to calculate the IHC4 score; you do not need to evaluate each factor separately.
Wishing you a smooth treatment process.
Taoyuan Hospital, Chen Si-Rong.
Reply Date: 2022/11/06
More Info
Understanding Triple-Negative Breast Cancer (TNBC) involves recognizing its unique characteristics, treatment options, and prognosis. However, it seems your mother's diagnosis is not TNBC, as her pathology report indicates that she has a hormone receptor-positive (HR+) and HER2-positive breast cancer. Let's break down the key aspects of her diagnosis and treatment options.
1. Diagnosis Overview
Your mother has been diagnosed with invasive ductal carcinoma, which is the most common type of breast cancer. The pathology report indicates:
- Tumor Size: 21 mm x 16 mm x 15 mm (pT2), meaning the tumor is larger than 20 mm but not more than 50 mm.
- Lymph Node Status: No regional lymph node metastasis (pN0), which is a positive sign as it suggests that the cancer has not spread to nearby lymph nodes.
- Hormone Receptors: Both estrogen receptor (ER) and progesterone receptor (PR) are positive (>90%), indicating that the cancer cells grow in response to these hormones.
- HER2 Status: HER2 is positive (3+), which means the cancer cells have a high level of HER2 protein, making it more aggressive but also treatable with targeted therapies.
- Ki67 Index: Staining of 20-30% of tumor cells indicates a moderate proliferation rate, which can suggest a higher risk of recurrence compared to lower rates.
2. Recurrence Risk
Given that your mother has a hormone receptor-positive and HER2-positive breast cancer, her risk of recurrence is influenced by several factors, including tumor size, grade, and lymph node involvement. Although she has no lymph node metastasis, the tumor's size and HER2 positivity indicate a need for aggressive treatment to reduce the risk of recurrence.
3. Treatment Recommendations
Your oncologist's recommendation for chemotherapy and targeted therapy is standard for HER2-positive breast cancer. The combination of chemotherapy and HER2-targeted therapy (such as trastuzumab, also known as Herceptin) has been shown to improve outcomes significantly.
- Chemotherapy: This is typically recommended to reduce the risk of recurrence, especially in cases where the tumor is larger or has aggressive features.
- Targeted Therapy: HER2-positive cancers respond well to targeted therapies, which can significantly improve survival rates. It is generally recommended to include this in the treatment plan.
4. Importance of Targeted Therapy
While chemotherapy addresses the cancer broadly, targeted therapies specifically attack cancer cells that overexpress HER2. This dual approach can lead to better outcomes and lower recurrence rates. Therefore, it is advisable for your mother to consider HER2-targeted therapy as part of her treatment plan.
5. Comparison of HER2-Positive and Triple-Negative Breast Cancer
Triple-negative breast cancer (TNBC) is characterized by the absence of ER, PR, and HER2 receptors, making it more challenging to treat since it does not respond to hormone therapies or HER2-targeted treatments. TNBC tends to be more aggressive and has a higher risk of recurrence compared to hormone receptor-positive cancers.
In contrast, HER2-positive cancers, even if they are also hormone receptor-positive, can be treated effectively with targeted therapies, which is a significant advantage. The prognosis for HER2-positive breast cancer has improved dramatically with the advent of these targeted therapies.
Conclusion
In summary, your mother's diagnosis of hormone receptor-positive and HER2-positive breast cancer necessitates a comprehensive treatment approach that includes chemotherapy and targeted therapy. The Ki67 index indicates a moderate proliferation rate, which, combined with her tumor characteristics, suggests a need for aggressive treatment to mitigate recurrence risk. It is crucial to follow the oncologist's recommendations closely and discuss any concerns regarding treatment options, including the necessity of targeted therapy. Regular follow-ups and monitoring will also be essential in managing her health post-treatment.
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