Stone and tumor resection..?
My father was recently diagnosed with ureteral stones.
Initially, the doctor performed extracorporeal shock wave lithotripsy, which was ineffective.
Later, they decided to use an endoscopic method to remove the stones.
The doctor mentioned that he would only need to stay in the hospital for one day.
However, after the surgery, the doctor informed us that they found a tumor in the bladder and "conveniently" removed it, which required him to stay in the hospital for a few more days for observation.
Subsequently, he will need to return for chemotherapy over the next few months.
I would like to ask the doctor if it is reasonable to perform such a "convenient" action without notifying the family.
Additionally, when the initial diagnosis was ureteral stones, we had undergone 3 or 4 X-rays; why was the tumor in the bladder not detected?
Tuna, 20~29 year old female. Ask Date: 2014/05/01
Dr. Xu Weikai reply Urology
Tuna: Hello, I think your father is very fortunate to have accidentally discovered a bladder tumor and to have it removed promptly.
Here are my thoughts: Under the current medical system, surgery cannot be performed without informing the patient or their family.
The patient can independently decide whether to undergo surgery or other significant medical procedures without needing family consent (unless the patient is a minor or lacks consciousness, etc.).
I am unsure if your father was informed during the surgery (generally, urological endoscopic stone surgery is performed under regional anesthesia, and the patient is awake and able to communicate).
If he was informed and consented, then legally, this medical action is entirely valid.
In your father's case, the accidental discovery of a bladder tumor is something that could not have been known beforehand.
Ignoring it would necessitate arranging another anesthesia/surgery/hospitalization, increasing the risks associated with repeat surgery/anesthesia.
Clinically, a bladder tumor must be removed.
For the surgeon at that time, it was simply a matter of changing instruments to excise the tumor, which is relatively straightforward.
However, for the patient, this can save a lot of time, money, and anesthesia risks; in other words, the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks.
This physician acted with great integrity, making what he believed to be the best choice for the patient without considering subsequent legal concerns.
However, if the patient and family truly cannot accept the tumor being removed without cause, they should appeal to the higher authorities of the medical institution.
If unsatisfied, they can file a complaint with the local health bureau or even the central Ministry of Health and Welfare.
Ultimately, it is up to your family's decision.
Note: 1.
Currently, bladder tumors are mostly treated with immunotherapy, and chemotherapy is rarely used.
2.
I believe this physician is ethical and meticulous.
Before performing ureteral stone surgery, he checks the entire bladder for other lesions.
Additionally, he does not consider whether he might be sued by the family and opts for a more conservative approach (not removing the tumor); or delaying the patient for a few days to return for tumor removal surgery, which could increase the surgeon's income.
3.
Bladder tumors are generally not easily detected through regular X-rays or ultrasounds, and even CT scans may not reveal them.
Clinical diagnosis typically involves cystoscopy, which can identify very small bladder tumors.
If there are any unclear points, feel free to ask again for further discussion and research.
Online responses should only serve as a reference; if necessary, it is best to seek medical care at a healthcare facility.
Ministry of Health and Welfare Taitung Hospital cares about you.
This response is from Dr.
Hsu Wei-Kai, Head of Urology.
Reply Date: 2014/05/01
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The situation you described regarding your father's diagnosis and treatment for ureteral stones, followed by the unexpected discovery of a bladder tumor, raises several important considerations in the realm of medical ethics, patient care, and diagnostic procedures.
First and foremost, it is essential to understand that the management of ureteral stones often involves a multi-faceted approach. When initial treatments, such as extracorporeal shock wave lithotripsy (ESWL), do not yield the desired results, urologists may opt for more invasive procedures, such as ureteroscopy, to remove the stones directly. This is a common practice, and the expectation of a short hospital stay is typical for such procedures.
However, the discovery of a tumor during a procedure that was primarily intended for stone removal introduces a significant ethical and clinical dilemma. In general, any unexpected findings during surgery should be communicated to the patient or their family as soon as possible. The term "incidental finding" refers to unexpected results that are discovered unintentionally during a medical procedure. While it is not uncommon for surgeons to address incidental findings when they are significant and can be managed without undue risk to the patient, the communication of such findings should be transparent and involve informed consent.
In your father's case, the decision to remove the bladder tumor "on the side" raises questions about the adequacy of preoperative imaging and the informed consent process. The fact that multiple X-rays were performed prior to the surgery and yet the tumor was not identified suggests that there may have been limitations in the imaging techniques used or the interpretation of those images. Standard imaging for urinary tract issues often includes ultrasound, X-rays, and sometimes CT scans, which can vary in their ability to detect tumors depending on their size, location, and characteristics.
The absence of a prior diagnosis of the tumor could be attributed to several factors, including the tumor's size, its location, or the specific imaging modalities used. For instance, small tumors or those located in less visible areas may not be easily detected on standard X-rays or ultrasounds.
Regarding the ethical implications, it is crucial for healthcare providers to maintain open lines of communication with patients and their families. If a significant finding arises during a procedure, the medical team should discuss the implications of that finding with the family, including the need for further treatment or observation. This not only respects the autonomy of the patient and their family but also fosters trust in the physician-patient relationship.
In summary, while the management of ureteral stones can lead to incidental findings such as tumors, it is vital that these findings are communicated effectively and that the rationale for any additional procedures is clearly explained. If you feel that the communication regarding your father's care was inadequate, it may be beneficial to discuss your concerns with the healthcare team involved in his treatment. Additionally, seeking a second opinion from another urologist or oncologist may provide further clarity on the situation and the best course of action moving forward.
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