I experience soreness in my thigh muscles when leaning backward at a certain angle?
Hello Dr.
Chen: When I stand and lean back about 30 degrees, I experience soreness from my right hip down to my knee.
This has been going on for almost six months, and it seems to be getting more pronounced.
I would like to ask you about it.
I feel like the spinal nerves might be compressed, which is causing the pain.
Previously, I had numbness in my right big toe for over a year, but that resolved on its own.
Later, I had a work-related injury to my lower back, which was similar to a mild herniated disc, and I was treated at Chang Gung Memorial Hospital in Chiayi.
After that, I felt better.
However, six months later, I noticed this issue again.
Is it difficult to improve this condition with medication? I really don't want to undergo surgery.
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A Ping, 20~29 year old female. Ask Date: 2005/11/13
Dr. Chen Shunsheng reply Rare Disease
The symptom description closely resembles spondylolisthesis at the fourth and fifth lumbar vertebrae.
There are many causes of low back pain, which vary with age, gender, occupation, and the medical specialty consulted, leading to a phenomenon where different specialties offer differing opinions.
A brief classification of common causes is as follows:
1) Low back pain due to lumbar and sacral vertebral disorders:
- Various types of spondylitis (lumbar spondylosis, spondylolisthesis, ankylosing spondylitis, etc.)
- Osteoporosis, which may be accompanied by vitamin D deficiency leading to myalgia
- Compressive spine fractures
- Lumbar stenosis
- Lumbar sacralization
2) Low back pain due to lumbar and sacral nerve root disorders:
- Neuropathies caused by the aforementioned vertebral disorders compressing nerve roots, accompanied by low back pain
- Vascular nerve root disorders, such as those caused by diabetes or calcified abdominal aorta leading to vascular changes within the nerve roots
- Space-occupying lesions
3) Low back pain due to pelvic bone disorders:
- Pelvic joint disorders (iliitis, iliococcygitis, etc.), often occurring postpartum
- Metastatic lesions in the pelvic bones
4) Low back pain due to retroperitoneal disorders, often space-occupying, primarily tumors or cysts, frequently invading the lumbosacral plexus
5) Visceral diseases causing referred pain in the low back:
- Urinary tract disorders: such as kidney or ureteral stones, obstruction, or inflammation causing referred low back pain
- Gynecological disorders: such as lower pelvic inflammatory disease, endometriosis, pregnancy, etc., leading to referred low back pain
- Other visceral diseases: such as gastrointestinal disorders, aortic diseases (aneurysms or dissections)
Conclusion: First, see a doctor to determine the diagnosis, then discuss treatment.
Do not rush into long-term analgesic therapy or rehabilitation without proper evaluation.
Many possibilities exist, including disc herniation, lumbar spondylosis, lumbar spondylolisthesis, lumbar spine fractures, lumbar sacralitis, etc.
It may not simply be a muscle strain; spinal joint and neurological examinations, as well as lumbar spine X-rays, should be performed for further diagnosis and treatment.
Additionally, researchers have found that in individuals without low back pain, the growth of nerve fibers within the intervertebral discs is evenly distributed in the outer one-third to one-half of the disc; whereas in those with low back pain, 46% of nerve fibers are found in the inner one-third of the disc, and 22% have penetrated into the nucleus pulposus at the center of the disc.
Therefore, preventing nerve fibers from penetrating deeply into the disc may help prevent or treat low back pain.
Of course, blocking pain transmission to the brain is also crucial.
Regarding occupational spinal nerve root disorders, I conducted an analysis of peripheral nerve examinations on 32 sanitation workers who visited the neurology clinic.
Among the 32 workers, 31 were female and 1 male, with an average age of 51.5 ± 4.4 years, all having served in the sanitation team for over ten years.
Their main complaints included numbness in the extremities, particularly in the upper limbs (100.0%), persistent low back pain (75.0%), pain in major joints of the limbs (75.0%), and atrophy of the abductor pollicis muscle (37.5%).
These symptoms are related to long-term overload damage to the lumbar and limb joints, as well as compression of the median nerve at the wrist and lumbar nerve roots.
Consequently, nerve conduction studies revealed that over 60% (62.5%) of the workers had carpal tunnel syndrome, which may occur alone or in conjunction with single or multiple peripheral neuropathies (60.0%), as well as prolonged wave reflex latency caused by lumbar nerve root disorders (40.6%) or sacral nerve root disorders (18.8%).
When compared to normal individuals, these workers exhibited prolonged or slowed response latencies and nerve conduction velocities in their upper and lower extremities.
In addition to the neurological diagnosis, X-ray examinations were arranged to assess the extent of lumbar and sacral disorders, revealing significant lumbar spondylitis, lumbar spondylolisthesis, disc herniation, or vertebral fractures among these workers.
The most common finding was spondylolisthesis between the fourth and fifth lumbar vertebrae (46.9%), followed by spondylolisthesis between the fifth lumbar vertebra and the first sacral vertebra (15.6%).
Other findings included spondylolisthesis between the second and third lumbar vertebrae (9.4%) and between the third and fourth lumbar vertebrae (6.3%).
Additional findings included disc herniation from the fourth and fifth lumbar vertebrae (6.3%) and fractures of the lumbar vertebrae (12.5%).
These X-ray findings may be associated with the damage caused by long-term heavy lifting during waste collection.
The discussion regarding peripheral nerve diseases indicates that the excessive load borne by environmental sanitation workers due to long-term waste handling is a significant concern for the damage caused to their peripheral nerves and lumbar-sacral vertebrae.
We recommend implementing a "no littering" policy to reduce unnecessary heavy loads on workers.
If possible, convenient mechanical equipment should be used to assist workers in transporting waste.
Heavy or special waste should not exceed a certain weight during packing.
If feasible, workers should be rotated regularly in their tasks.
Additionally, wrist, knee, and lumbar support braces should be provided to help protect their joints.
To facilitate early detection of peripheral nerve disorders, annual health check-ups for sanitation workers should include assessments of nerve conduction velocities in the limbs and lumbar X-ray examinations.
Reply Date: 2005/11/13
More Info
Hello! Thank you for reaching out with your concerns regarding the discomfort you're experiencing in your thigh, particularly from your hip to your knee. Based on your description, it seems like you may be dealing with a complex interplay of musculoskeletal and possibly neurological issues. Let's break down the potential causes and explore some solutions.
Possible Causes of Thigh Discomfort
1. Nerve Compression: Given your history of back injury and the sensation of numbness in your big toe, it's plausible that you might be experiencing some form of nerve compression, possibly from a herniated disc or spinal stenosis. When the spine is misaligned or when discs protrude, they can press on spinal nerves, leading to pain that radiates down the leg.
2. Muscle Strain or Overuse: The pain you feel when leaning back could also be attributed to muscle strain. If certain muscles in your hip or thigh are overworked or strained, they can become tight and painful, especially during specific movements.
3. Piriformis Syndrome: This condition occurs when the piriformis muscle, located in the buttock region, irritates the sciatic nerve. Symptoms can include pain in the buttock that may radiate down the leg, especially when sitting or performing certain movements.
4. Myofascial Pain Syndrome: This chronic pain disorder is characterized by the presence of trigger points in the muscles, which can refer pain to other areas. If you have tightness or discomfort in your hip and thigh, it could be related to myofascial pain.
5. Referred Pain: Sometimes, pain in the thigh can be referred from other areas, such as the lower back or hip joint. Conditions like arthritis or bursitis can also contribute to discomfort in the thigh region.
Solutions and Recommendations
1. Consult a Specialist: Since you have a history of back issues, it would be wise to consult a neurologist or an orthopedic specialist who can perform a thorough examination, possibly including imaging studies like an MRI to assess for nerve compression or disc issues.
2. Physical Therapy: Engaging in physical therapy can be highly beneficial. A physical therapist can design a tailored exercise program that focuses on strengthening the muscles around your hip and lower back, improving flexibility, and addressing any postural issues that may contribute to your pain.
3. Pain Management: While medications can provide temporary relief, they may not address the underlying issue. Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) can help reduce inflammation and pain, but it's essential to use them judiciously. Discuss with your doctor about other pain management strategies, such as corticosteroid injections or alternative therapies like acupuncture.
4. Stretching and Strengthening Exercises: Incorporating gentle stretching and strengthening exercises into your routine can help alleviate tightness and improve muscle function. Focus on stretches for the hip flexors, hamstrings, and piriformis muscle. Strengthening exercises for the core and glutes can also provide better support for your spine and pelvis.
5. Posture Awareness: Being mindful of your posture, especially when standing or sitting for extended periods, can help reduce strain on your back and legs. Ergonomic adjustments to your workspace may also be beneficial.
6. Avoiding Surgery: It's understandable that you wish to avoid surgery. Many musculoskeletal issues can be managed effectively with conservative treatments. However, if your symptoms persist or worsen, a surgical consultation may be necessary to explore all options.
Conclusion
In summary, your thigh discomfort could stem from various causes, including nerve compression, muscle strain, or referred pain. A comprehensive approach involving specialist consultations, physical therapy, and lifestyle modifications can help manage your symptoms effectively. Remember, it's crucial to listen to your body and seek professional guidance tailored to your specific condition. Don't hesitate to reach out for further assistance or clarification on any of these points. Wishing you a speedy recovery!
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