Herniated disc
Hello, doctor.
My family member is 58 years old and has been diagnosed with herniated discs at the fourth and fifth lumbar vertebrae, along with nerve compression.
I have attached MRI images: (I apologize for uploading multiple images as I wasn't sure which one was the most relevant) https://ppt.cc/fEm3Vx https://ppt.cc/fcSmUx https://ppt.cc/fe9tCx https://ppt.cc/f3iJ6x https://ppt.cc/f43cox.
My family member experienced severe back pain while moving heavy objects upstairs in mid-September.
The next day, they began to feel soreness and numbness in the back of the left thigh and calf when standing, making it very uncomfortable to stand, although walking does not seem to be an issue for long distances.
Sometimes the right leg also experiences symptoms, but the left side is more frequently affected.
A few weeks ago, the symptoms suddenly almost disappeared, as if returning to the state before the incident, with only occasional mild occurrences.
However, in the past few days, there has been a return of lower back pain or pain in the upper part of the buttocks (with no leg symptoms).
I would like to ask the doctor a few questions:
1.
Is surgery necessary at this level? My family member does not experience the severe pain that many patients describe online, which affects their daily life.
I would like to understand why the pain fluctuates, indicating it may not be very serious.
Can rehabilitation or physical therapy improve the nerve compression situation?
2.
If surgery is required, will it only involve removing the herniated portion, or will the entire disc need to be removed, along with the installation of an artificial implant and screws? Are there any other surgical options available?
3.
Is the removal of the disc and installation of an implant considered a last resort? Will this procedure completely prevent recurrence? My family member is concerned about the feeling that "the spine is no longer their own" after the implant is placed.
4.
I understand that the out-of-pocket costs for minimally invasive surgery materials vary between hospitals.
Does a lower price indicate that the quality or efficacy of the materials chosen by the physician is inferior? Is there a significant difference?
5.
Besides avoiding lifting heavy objects, should bending over also be avoided? Additionally, is it advisable to avoid sitting with one leg fully bent, resting the buttocks on the heel of the other leg while slightly bending forward to perform tasks?
I apologize for the lengthy questions, but since I cannot ask them one by one, I had to ask many at once.
Thank you, doctor, for taking the time to answer my questions amid your busy schedule!
Wei Ni, 20~29 year old female. Ask Date: 2019/11/03
Dr. Lai Zhaokang reply Neurosurgery
Hello,
1.
Your family member has significant nerve compression, with the most severe being at the L4-5 level, where there is already a herniation and rupture.
Medically, surgery has been recommended.
However, if symptoms have improved, continuing conservative rehabilitation is also an option.
Just do not expect the compression to completely disappear (the ruptured disc may gradually dry out and atrophy, but it generally becomes harder and can adhere to nerves, which may complicate future surgery or increase difficulty).
2.
If surgery is considered, the options include:
1.
Simple decompression.
2.
Decompression followed by the placement of an elastic cushion (silicone).
3.
Complete removal of the disc with replacement by a new implant (this can be done minimally invasively and may not require screws).
Your family member should be able to consider these options; the key is to discuss them in detail with the physician in person.
3.
Intervertebral fusion with an implant is currently the last resort (fusion) and is the most definitive solution.
(This means the spine will no longer be entirely your own; generally, patients find this acceptable but it requires an adjustment period.)
4.
Is there a significant difference in the quality or efficacy of medical materials? The differences are primarily related to material costs and research and development patent costs, but they are not usually very large.
The key is to ensure proper fusion and healing, and medications can be applied to promote faster integration of the implant.
5.
The lumbar spine is most vulnerable when bending and even more so when lifting heavy objects.
Wishing you the best.
Dr.
Lai Chao-Kang, Director of Spine Neurosurgery, Changhua Hospital.
Reply Date: 2019/11/03
More Info
Lumbar disc herniation is a common condition that can lead to significant discomfort and functional limitations. Your family member's diagnosis of herniated discs at the L4-L5 level, along with nerve compression, is a situation that many individuals face, especially after activities that involve heavy lifting or sudden movements. Let's address your questions systematically.
1. Surgical Necessity: The need for surgery in cases of lumbar disc herniation is not solely determined by the presence of herniation or nerve compression, but rather by the severity of symptoms and their impact on daily life. In your family member's case, the fluctuating nature of the pain—where symptoms improve and then reappear—suggests that the condition may not be severe enough to warrant immediate surgical intervention. Many patients experience periods of improvement, and conservative treatments such as physical therapy, medication, and lifestyle modifications can often lead to significant relief. If symptoms persist or worsen, a surgical evaluation may be necessary.
2. Surgical Options: If surgery is deemed necessary, the most common procedure is a discectomy, where the protruding part of the disc is removed to relieve pressure on the nerve. In some cases, a laminectomy may also be performed to create more space for the nerve roots. Complete removal of the disc and placement of an artificial disc or fusion with hardware is typically reserved for more severe cases or when there is instability in the spine. The specific approach will depend on the individual’s anatomy, the extent of the herniation, and the surgeon's preference.
3. Concerns About Disc Removal and Hardware: The removal of the disc and the use of hardware (like rods or screws) is often considered a last resort, especially if conservative treatments have failed. While these procedures can provide significant relief and improve quality of life, they do come with risks, including the potential for adjacent segment degeneration. It's important to have a thorough discussion with the surgeon about the risks and benefits of these procedures. Many patients do not experience a feeling of "not having their own spine" after surgery, but it is a valid concern that should be addressed with the surgical team.
4. Cost of Surgical Materials: The cost of surgical materials can vary significantly between hospitals and surgeons. While lower costs may sometimes reflect the use of less expensive materials, it does not always correlate with quality. It’s crucial to discuss with the surgeon what materials will be used and their track record in terms of outcomes. Many surgeons will use high-quality materials regardless of the facility's pricing structure, so it’s worth asking about their experience with the specific products.
5. Activity Modifications: Avoiding heavy lifting is essential for anyone with a history of lumbar disc issues. Additionally, bending at the waist, especially in a way that places stress on the lower back, should be minimized. The position you described (sitting with one leg bent and the other leg's heel on the ground) can place strain on the lumbar spine and should be avoided if it causes discomfort. Instead, encourage your family member to use proper body mechanics, such as bending at the knees and keeping the back straight when lifting or performing activities that require bending.
In conclusion, your family member's condition can often be managed conservatively, and surgery is not always necessary. Regular follow-ups with healthcare providers, adherence to physical therapy, and lifestyle modifications can lead to significant improvements. If surgery becomes necessary, a thorough discussion with a qualified spine surgeon will help clarify the best approach tailored to your family member's specific situation.
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