Retinal laser therapy
Good evening, Dr.
Gao.
I am a patient who has developed severe shadows after retinal laser treatment.
I apologize for bothering you again with my questions:
1.
I had the laser treatment on the upper right side of my right eye.
If the laser's thermal energy affected the vitreous body, should the floaters appear in the lower left corner of my vision, closer to my nose? [There is indeed a large cloudy shadow in that area, but it only moves to the center of my vision when I turn my head.] I would like to understand this, as I have shadows or linear floaters throughout my entire visual field, despite the laser being applied only to the upper right side.
2.
Although the shadow in question is quite large, I actually have several even larger shadows appearing above and to the right of my eye.
Dr.
Gao, do you think this is also due to vitreous liquefaction? [Does the laser's thermal energy affect the entire vitreous body?]
3.
Based on my understanding, floaters caused by vitreous liquefaction should be fibrous or resemble bubbles with a dark center, and I have dozens of these bubble-like floaters connected together.
Why do I have many very dark spots that are not the largest among my floaters [in fact, they are relatively small], yet they are extremely dark and significantly affect my vision? Are these very dark spots remnants from the laser treatment?
3-1.
After retinal laser treatment, can the scabbed areas fall into the eye? [Similar to how scabs from skin injuries eventually fall off.]
4.
Dr.
Gao, I previously saw a post by Dr.
Hu on the Taiwan e-hospital forum [I believe it was from 2010], where he mentioned that shadows could be induced by the laser's thermal energy causing vitreous liquefaction.
Is this common among your patients? [Have there been others like me who developed numerous floaters?]
5.
In retinal laser treatment, is it possible that the doctor did not precisely target the vitreous body? [Can the laser directly affect the vitreous body?]
6.
I would like to understand another issue: is the laser treatment for thin retinas the same as the pan-retinal laser treatment for diabetes? [Is it just the area being treated that differs?] I am curious why I experienced these issues after only partial retinal treatment, while it seems that diabetic treatment involves the entire retina.
7.
Regarding vitrectomy, Dr.
Gao, you mentioned a type of ultrasound that can assess the degree of cloudiness.
Is there currently a medical way to use ultrasound to identify the cloudy areas [larger and more numerous] before performing vitrectomy to only remove the affected vitreous?
8.
If only part of the vitreous is removed, will other fluids be injected into the eye to replace the original vitreous?
9.
After a vitrectomy [complete removal of the vitreous], if saline or another solution is injected into the eye, is there still a possibility of cloudiness in the future? [Since the natural vitreous body typically liquefies, if this injected substance is not affected by external factors such as inflammation, can it remain clear for a lifetime?]
I realize these questions may seem naive, but I truly feel helpless and have to trouble you again, Dr.
Gao.
Danxin de ren, 30~39 year old female. Ask Date: 2021/07/09
Dr. Gao Pilin reply Ophthalmology
Hello, concerned individual:
1.
Floaters can occur in any part of the eye.
2.
It is possible.
3.
It will not be.
4.
There is none.
5.
It will not be.
6.
They are the same.
The difference lies in energy and range.
7.
There should not be such an action.
8.
Same as above.
9.
Once cleared, only fluid remains; there will not be large black shadows.
I recommend that you visit a retina specialist for an examination and to ask the doctor in person, as I am not a retina specialist.
It is best for a retina specialist to explain things to you directly.
Continuously asking online will not resolve the issue.
I apologize for that.
Online answers can only serve as a reference; if necessary, you should seek medical attention at a healthcare facility.
Gao Pilin
Reply Date: 2021/07/09
More Info
After undergoing retinal laser treatment, experiencing shadows and floaters can be concerning and confusing. Let's break down your questions and provide a comprehensive understanding of the potential causes and implications of these symptoms.
1. Location of Floaters: Floaters can appear anywhere in your visual field, and their location does not necessarily correlate with the area treated by the laser. The floaters you see in your visual field, especially if they are more pronounced in the lower part of your vision, may not be directly related to the laser treatment itself. Instead, they could be due to changes in the vitreous gel, which can happen independently of the laser procedure.
2. Vitreous Changes: The presence of larger shadows or floaters in your vision could indeed be a result of vitreous liquefaction, which is a common occurrence as we age or after certain eye treatments. The laser treatment can cause changes in the vitreous, leading to the formation of more floaters. This is because the heat from the laser can induce changes in the vitreous gel, leading to its separation from the retina, which can create more noticeable floaters.
3. Nature of Floaters: Floaters can vary in appearance. They can be stringy, like fibers, or more solid, resembling dark spots or blobs. The very dark spots you describe may not necessarily be remnants of laser treatment but could be due to the natural aging process of the vitreous or other factors. It’s important to note that while some floaters are benign, very dark or new floaters, especially if accompanied by flashes of light, should be evaluated by an eye care professional to rule out any serious conditions like retinal tears or detachments.
3-1. Scarring and Debris: After laser treatment, there can be some scarring or debris, but it is unlikely that this would detach and float in the vitreous like a scab would from the skin. The vitreous is a gel-like substance that can trap debris, but the nature of the laser treatment typically does not result in significant debris that would cause floaters.
4. Commonality of Symptoms: The phenomenon of increased floaters or shadows after laser treatment is not uncommon. Many patients report similar experiences, particularly if they have pre-existing vitreous changes. The laser can indeed trigger or exacerbate these changes, leading to more noticeable floaters.
5. Laser Targeting: It is unlikely that the laser treatment would inadvertently affect the vitreous directly. The laser is designed to target the retina specifically, and while it can cause changes in the surrounding vitreous, it is not intended to treat the vitreous itself.
6. Types of Laser Treatments: The laser treatments for retinal thinning and diabetic retinopathy are similar in that they both aim to prevent further retinal damage. However, the extent and area treated can differ significantly. Your experience with localized laser treatment may lead to different outcomes compared to more extensive treatments used for diabetic retinopathy.
7. Vitreous Surgery and Ultrasound: Currently, ultrasound technology can help assess the condition of the vitreous and identify areas of opacification. However, vitreous surgery typically involves removing the entire vitreous gel rather than just the cloudy areas. This is because the vitreous is interconnected, and targeting specific areas is not feasible.
8. Replacement of Vitreous: If only part of the vitreous is removed, it is common practice to fill the eye with a saline solution or gas to maintain the eye's shape. This replacement does not typically lead to the same issues as the natural vitreous, but it can still be subject to changes over time.
9. Post-Surgery Clarity: After a complete vitrectomy, the injected solution (like saline) can remain clear indefinitely, provided there are no complications such as inflammation or infection. However, the natural aging process of the eye can still lead to changes, and new floaters may develop over time.
In conclusion, while your symptoms are concerning, they are not uncommon after retinal laser treatment. It is crucial to maintain regular follow-ups with your eye care provider to monitor these changes and ensure that no serious complications arise. If your symptoms worsen or if you experience new symptoms, such as flashes of light or a sudden increase in floaters, seek immediate medical attention. Your eye health is paramount, and ongoing communication with your healthcare provider is essential for managing your condition effectively.
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